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	<description>{ Derik Badman's Writing on Comics (mostly) }</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Karasik</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52640</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Karasik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derek,
Thanks for the kind words. That impromptu Lugosi imitation had me sweating bullets!

If your readers are unfamiliar with Fletcher Hanks , they may want to wander ovver to my website for a sldeshow sample of a Fantomah story that does NOT appear in my book:

www.fletcherhanks.com

Best,
-Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derek,<br />
Thanks for the kind words. That impromptu Lugosi imitation had me sweating bullets!</p>
<p>If your readers are unfamiliar with Fletcher Hanks , they may want to wander ovver to my website for a sldeshow sample of a Fantomah story that does NOT appear in my book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fletcherhanks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fletcherhanks.com</a></p>
<p>Best,<br />
-Paul</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52622</link>
		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrei: I read the book last night, and I have to agree with you. There is potential in there but mostly... it's a pretty book and a great idea, but it fails to really... move me in any way, be it narratively, thematically, aesthetically, or formally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrei: I read the book last night, and I have to agree with you. There is potential in there but mostly&#8230; it&#8217;s a pretty book and a great idea, but it fails to really&#8230; move me in any way, be it narratively, thematically, aesthetically, or formally.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52580</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on a relatively quick first skim, there are a couple of problems with the Sundays anthology that also seem characteristic of other work I've seen coming out of there:

1.  many of the stories are quite clever, in a meta sort of way, but ultimately unsatisfying.  I'd call this the Iowa syndrome, and I'm surprised that CCS fell into it so rapidly (it took the IWW maybe a couple of decades to get there).  We have a formalization of the tricks of the avant-garde, which, by being formalized, stop being avant-garde and become a new academicism.

2.  The book is beautifully designed, as are most of the strips--but I'd just like them to learn to draw better!!!  It seems to me--also based on Sturm's lectures about the CCS I've seen in the past--that at CCS all the emphasis is on narrative technique, and little on actually learning to draw.  I don't care whether they learn to draw like Charles Burns or like Gary Panter, but I would want them to realize that while learning the basic grammar of storytelling is important, it's not the only thing, and you won't achieve a fully aesthetically pleasing end result unless you work as hard on your inking as on your breakdowns.

Ah, yes, there goes Andrei, being all negative again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on a relatively quick first skim, there are a couple of problems with the Sundays anthology that also seem characteristic of other work I&#8217;ve seen coming out of there:</p>
<p>1.  many of the stories are quite clever, in a meta sort of way, but ultimately unsatisfying.  I&#8217;d call this the Iowa syndrome, and I&#8217;m surprised that CCS fell into it so rapidly (it took the IWW maybe a couple of decades to get there).  We have a formalization of the tricks of the avant-garde, which, by being formalized, stop being avant-garde and become a new academicism.</p>
<p>2.  The book is beautifully designed, as are most of the strips&#8211;but I&#8217;d just like them to learn to draw better!!!  It seems to me&#8211;also based on Sturm&#8217;s lectures about the CCS I&#8217;ve seen in the past&#8211;that at CCS all the emphasis is on narrative technique, and little on actually learning to draw.  I don&#8217;t care whether they learn to draw like Charles Burns or like Gary Panter, but I would want them to realize that while learning the basic grammar of storytelling is important, it&#8217;s not the only thing, and you won&#8217;t achieve a fully aesthetically pleasing end result unless you work as hard on your inking as on your breakdowns.</p>
<p>Ah, yes, there goes Andrei, being all negative again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52486</link>
		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary: Sorry I missed you. Thanks for the link that Waldeman book looks interesting. I'm not currently planning on being at SPX.

So far The Sundays book is not looking as good as I'd hoped. It might be a great idea whose execution doesn't quite live up to it.

Susanne, It was great to meet you too. I'll have to spend some time checking out your website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary: Sorry I missed you. Thanks for the link that Waldeman book looks interesting. I&#8217;m not currently planning on being at SPX.</p>
<p>So far The Sundays book is not looking as good as I&#8217;d hoped. It might be a great idea whose execution doesn&#8217;t quite live up to it.</p>
<p>Susanne, It was great to meet you too. I&#8217;ll have to spend some time checking out your website.</p>
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		<title>By: Susanne</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52476</link>
		<dc:creator>Susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derik,

Thanks for the mentions. It was great to meet you. Wish I'd had more time to talk with you, but it was all so hectic, wasn't it? I seem to have shopped like you did; didn't buy any books I could get elsewhere, but stocked up on minis and other handmades. Can't wait to dig into them. 

Have got your site bookmarked and will definitely be back. And hopefully will see you again in the city soon.

Susanne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derik,</p>
<p>Thanks for the mentions. It was great to meet you. Wish I&#8217;d had more time to talk with you, but it was all so hectic, wasn&#8217;t it? I seem to have shopped like you did; didn&#8217;t buy any books I could get elsewhere, but stocked up on minis and other handmades. Can&#8217;t wait to dig into them. </p>
<p>Have got your site bookmarked and will definitely be back. And hopefully will see you again in the city soon.</p>
<p>Susanne</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52342</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derik,

My tablemates said someone from Temple had stopped by, but I had no idea it was you! I wish I would have known so I could have found you. Well, tried to find you, given how huge this year's show was.

Richard Hahn is great! Looking forward to seeing what you'll think of his work.

The Norwegians on the 7th floor had a great full-color comic bio of Edvard Munch and Kurt Schwitters, each bio done vaguely in the style of the artist. I got it for the Schwitters, which was incredible. Sadly, I'll never be able to actually read it, though it was worth it for the images &#38; layout.

Did you happen to see J.T. Waldman's graphic novel adaptation of the Book of Esther. That was my favorite book from the show. Really intense drawings, vaguely early-Mack Whitish, but entirely without irony. A preview here:

http://www.megillatesther.com/preview.htm

though it really doesn't do it justice. The layouts become increasingly strange as the story goes on. I've never seen anything quite like it. Waldman I think lives in Philadelphia.

Again, sorry to have missed you. Maybe we'll see each other at SPX? I won't have a table there, but my table mates &#38; I are tossing around the idea of going down there just to see what's being exhibited.

I actually picked up the Fletcher Hanks book Friday night at Jim Hanley's -- the last one they had. There was a rumor going around that Fantagraphics had already sold out of the *entire run* of the book. I don't quite see how that's possible, but they definitely sold out everything they brought to the show. It's pretty unimpeachably great.

I was an idiot and did not get the Sundays anthology. It sold out. I didn't even get to flip through it on the table. Everyone was talking about it.

Anyway, hoping all is well,

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derik,</p>
<p>My tablemates said someone from Temple had stopped by, but I had no idea it was you! I wish I would have known so I could have found you. Well, tried to find you, given how huge this year&#8217;s show was.</p>
<p>Richard Hahn is great! Looking forward to seeing what you&#8217;ll think of his work.</p>
<p>The Norwegians on the 7th floor had a great full-color comic bio of Edvard Munch and Kurt Schwitters, each bio done vaguely in the style of the artist. I got it for the Schwitters, which was incredible. Sadly, I&#8217;ll never be able to actually read it, though it was worth it for the images &amp; layout.</p>
<p>Did you happen to see J.T. Waldman&#8217;s graphic novel adaptation of the Book of Esther. That was my favorite book from the show. Really intense drawings, vaguely early-Mack Whitish, but entirely without irony. A preview here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.megillatesther.com/preview.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.megillatesther.com/preview.htm</a></p>
<p>though it really doesn&#8217;t do it justice. The layouts become increasingly strange as the story goes on. I&#8217;ve never seen anything quite like it. Waldman I think lives in Philadelphia.</p>
<p>Again, sorry to have missed you. Maybe we&#8217;ll see each other at SPX? I won&#8217;t have a table there, but my table mates &amp; I are tossing around the idea of going down there just to see what&#8217;s being exhibited.</p>
<p>I actually picked up the Fletcher Hanks book Friday night at Jim Hanley&#8217;s &#8212; the last one they had. There was a rumor going around that Fantagraphics had already sold out of the *entire run* of the book. I don&#8217;t quite see how that&#8217;s possible, but they definitely sold out everything they brought to the show. It&#8217;s pretty unimpeachably great.</p>
<p>I was an idiot and did not get the Sundays anthology. It sold out. I didn&#8217;t even get to flip through it on the table. Everyone was talking about it.</p>
<p>Anyway, hoping all is well,</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Madden</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52332</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thrown by that "Sarah" comic. I found it in the bottom of the fancy silk-screened Sundays bag given to me by the CCS students and I thought it was a private letter I got by accident. I took it over to the Sundays table only to see a big pile of them on the table! I still haven't opened.

Derik, it was great to hang out.

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thrown by that &#8220;Sarah&#8221; comic. I found it in the bottom of the fancy silk-screened Sundays bag given to me by the CCS students and I thought it was a private letter I got by accident. I took it over to the Sundays table only to see a big pile of them on the table! I still haven&#8217;t opened.</p>
<p>Derik, it was great to hang out.</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52277</link>
		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to have missed you both.

Andrei: The pimping comics aspect is the part that gives me pause, but I'm hoping, starting to think about it now (with a year's time) I can come up with some good plans. Maybe recruit someone(s) to share a table with. Also, after walking around that show, I've got some ideas about display set-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to have missed you both.</p>
<p>Andrei: The pimping comics aspect is the part that gives me pause, but I&#8217;m hoping, starting to think about it now (with a year&#8217;s time) I can come up with some good plans. Maybe recruit someone(s) to share a table with. Also, after walking around that show, I&#8217;ve got some ideas about display set-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52232</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one time I got a table was at MoCCA, back in 2004.  I hated it:  I hated having to pimp my comics, and I hated being stuck behind it when there was so much stuff I wanted to see (though, admittedly, my gracious wife generously helped with the latter).  I've never done it since, and not regretted it one minute.

I was there today, BTW, Derik.  Sorry I missed you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one time I got a table was at MoCCA, back in 2004.  I hated it:  I hated having to pimp my comics, and I hated being stuck behind it when there was so much stuff I wanted to see (though, admittedly, my gracious wife generously helped with the latter).  I&#8217;ve never done it since, and not regretted it one minute.</p>
<p>I was there today, BTW, Derik.  Sorry I missed you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jog</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/mocca-2007#comment-52213</link>
		<dc:creator>Jog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do recall liking Boys and Lumakick a good deal when I first read them - I especially thought Rege's visual style worked well when put toward emotionally delicate teenage material.  I thought the new Ganzfeld was very nice, although I'd have liked more sequential manga in the illustration-heavy Japan section.  Still, I'm enthused about the King Terry monograph they're doing... he's an artist I've heard talked about a number of times, without much of his actual work available for perusal.  I also loved Mark Connery's comics in the Canada section.

Hey, if you have a table next year, you'll have one of those handy name tags!  I'll find you for sure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do recall liking Boys and Lumakick a good deal when I first read them - I especially thought Rege&#8217;s visual style worked well when put toward emotionally delicate teenage material.  I thought the new Ganzfeld was very nice, although I&#8217;d have liked more sequential manga in the illustration-heavy Japan section.  Still, I&#8217;m enthused about the King Terry monograph they&#8217;re doing&#8230; he&#8217;s an artist I&#8217;ve heard talked about a number of times, without much of his actual work available for perusal.  I also loved Mark Connery&#8217;s comics in the Canada section.</p>
<p>Hey, if you have a table next year, you&#8217;ll have one of those handy name tags!  I&#8217;ll find you for sure&#8230;</p>
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