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	<title>Comments on: Gray Horses by Hope Larson</title>
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		<title>By: wwc</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/gray-horses-by-hope-larson#comment-50252</link>
		<dc:creator>wwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At dinner I thought of (what else) the cubists and that braown/ochre color that has always smelles like a smoky café to me.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/gray-horses-by-hope-larson#comment-50207</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a matter of fact...  I deal (a bit) with synaesthesia in some paintings by Fragonard, and how, for example, images of flowers + vapors suggest smells, but I don't know if I would have realized this if I hadn't found literary passages from the period that describe very similar scenes and make a big deal of the smells.  (By the way--the book is indeed available for pre-order--thanks Warren!--but won't be back from the printers until sometime in September, I think...)

Of course, in comics you have the classic wavy lines + flies for bad smells.

From the point of view of taste, I don't know how you would represent it, except for showing the food as evocatively (which does not necessarily mean as realistically) as possible, and relying upon the viewer's sense memories.  I'm thinking specifically of Annibale Carracci's "Bean Eater" (you can probably Google it).  

Touch in painting is a whole different area:  I'd say it's first done, and done well, by the Venetians, with their color adaptation of Leonardo's sfumato (ie, sfumato + color glazes).  See the nymphs in Giorgione's Concert Champetre (and yes, that's Giorgione--don't let anyone tell you it's Titian!).  The blurry edges of the bodies suggest the give of the flesh, as does the (subconsciously registered, for the most part) fact that our eye does not see only the top layer of paint, but sees through a few more or lest translucent layers.

This makes me think how interesting it is that Kant claimed that the beautiful can exist only in the two, so to speak, "dominant" senses--sight and sound.  That taste, smell and touch can have only the agreeable, but not the beautiful.  I wonder if that's somehow connected to their representability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of fact&#8230;  I deal (a bit) with synaesthesia in some paintings by Fragonard, and how, for example, images of flowers + vapors suggest smells, but I don&#8217;t know if I would have realized this if I hadn&#8217;t found literary passages from the period that describe very similar scenes and make a big deal of the smells.  (By the way&#8211;the book is indeed available for pre-order&#8211;thanks Warren!&#8211;but won&#8217;t be back from the printers until sometime in September, I think&#8230;)</p>
<p>Of course, in comics you have the classic wavy lines + flies for bad smells.</p>
<p>From the point of view of taste, I don&#8217;t know how you would represent it, except for showing the food as evocatively (which does not necessarily mean as realistically) as possible, and relying upon the viewer&#8217;s sense memories.  I&#8217;m thinking specifically of Annibale Carracci&#8217;s &#8220;Bean Eater&#8221; (you can probably Google it).  </p>
<p>Touch in painting is a whole different area:  I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s first done, and done well, by the Venetians, with their color adaptation of Leonardo&#8217;s sfumato (ie, sfumato + color glazes).  See the nymphs in Giorgione&#8217;s Concert Champetre (and yes, that&#8217;s Giorgione&#8211;don&#8217;t let anyone tell you it&#8217;s Titian!).  The blurry edges of the bodies suggest the give of the flesh, as does the (subconsciously registered, for the most part) fact that our eye does not see only the top layer of paint, but sees through a few more or lest translucent layers.</p>
<p>This makes me think how interesting it is that Kant claimed that the beautiful can exist only in the two, so to speak, &#8220;dominant&#8221; senses&#8211;sight and sound.  That taste, smell and touch can have only the agreeable, but not the beautiful.  I wonder if that&#8217;s somehow connected to their representability.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/gray-horses-by-hope-larson#comment-50201</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, we got this book for the library and it really surprised me.  excellent stuff</description>
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		<title>By: wwc</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/gray-horses-by-hope-larson#comment-50170</link>
		<dc:creator>wwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrei just published a book about Fragonard - I bet F. dealt with some of this. 

I certainly get a smell from some over-ripe superhero comics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrei just published a book about Fragonard - I bet F. dealt with some of this. </p>
<p>I certainly get a smell from some over-ripe superhero comics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/gray-horses-by-hope-larson#comment-50169</link>
		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taste would seem really difficult to draw. Even textual describing it is difficult, to me at least, maybe food writing would offer something to work with (I'll have to ask my wife who loves food writing).

Off hand I'm not sure of painters dealing with smell or taste. Touch can be done with texture, paint, stroke, etc. Harder to do in a reproduced medium (like comics or the web), though still, I think possible with mark making and color.

Maybe there's someone with Art History knowledge around who might have some painters in mind... Andre?

I like my idea of metaphor too, though I have no idea what I mean in a practical visual sense (mouth emanatas? taste balloons?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taste would seem really difficult to draw. Even textual describing it is difficult, to me at least, maybe food writing would offer something to work with (I&#8217;ll have to ask my wife who loves food writing).</p>
<p>Off hand I&#8217;m not sure of painters dealing with smell or taste. Touch can be done with texture, paint, stroke, etc. Harder to do in a reproduced medium (like comics or the web), though still, I think possible with mark making and color.</p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s someone with Art History knowledge around who might have some painters in mind&#8230; Andre?</p>
<p>I like my idea of metaphor too, though I have no idea what I mean in a practical visual sense (mouth emanatas? taste balloons?).</p>
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		<title>By: wwc</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/gray-horses-by-hope-larson#comment-50168</link>
		<dc:creator>wwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smell, taste and touch seem the more intimate senses - to taste something it goes in your mouth. 

labels? pictures? I like oyur idea of metaphor. How have other artists done this? Painters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smell, taste and touch seem the more intimate senses - to taste something it goes in your mouth. </p>
<p>labels? pictures? I like oyur idea of metaphor. How have other artists done this? Painters?</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smell and taste seem to be the least used in comics.Though I guess touch is rather underused too, though I think it is certainly easier to convey visually than the other two.

I need to try working them into my comics somehow. Either with text or... metaphor? Hmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smell and taste seem to be the least used in comics.Though I guess touch is rather underused too, though I think it is certainly easier to convey visually than the other two.</p>
<p>I need to try working them into my comics somehow. Either with text or&#8230; metaphor? Hmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wwc</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/blog/archives/gray-horses-by-hope-larson#comment-50148</link>
		<dc:creator>wwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Warren, sorry for the delay...  I just moved my comuter to my new studio and am cut off from the inter-tubes at night, which is strangely liberating. Soon a new laptop will be mine and that all ends.

Text/image integration is something I think about, making images into text and text into images.  This post gives me some ideas about rendering other senses too. How the hell do we note smell on a page? The "taco smell" panel does a great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Warren, sorry for the delay&#8230;  I just moved my comuter to my new studio and am cut off from the inter-tubes at night, which is strangely liberating. Soon a new laptop will be mine and that all ends.</p>
<p>Text/image integration is something I think about, making images into text and text into images.  This post gives me some ideas about rendering other senses too. How the hell do we note smell on a page? The &#8220;taco smell&#8221; panel does a great job.</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that depends on how you set your browser (cookies/form-filling) and if you click the "remember me" check box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that depends on how you set your browser (cookies/form-filling) and if you click the &#8220;remember me&#8221; check box.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, thanks!

No, seriously:  after my first post, my name has just appeared automatically in your comments section, so I was just wondering.  I had read a couple of comments by wwc, and wasn't sure it was Warren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, thanks!</p>
<p>No, seriously:  after my first post, my name has just appeared automatically in your comments section, so I was just wondering.  I had read a couple of comments by wwc, and wasn&#8217;t sure it was Warren.</p>
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