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	<description>{ Derik Badman&#039;s Writing on Comics (mostly) }</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Karasik</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/archives/mocca-2007/comment-page-1#comment-52640</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Karasik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derek,
Thanks for the kind words. That impromptu Lugosi imitation had me sweating bullets!

If your readers are unfamiliar with Fletcher Hanks , they may want to wander ovver to my website for a sldeshow sample of a Fantomah story that does NOT appear in my book:

www.fletcherhanks.com

Best,
-Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derek,<br />
Thanks for the kind words. That impromptu Lugosi imitation had me sweating bullets!</p>
<p>If your readers are unfamiliar with Fletcher Hanks , they may want to wander ovver to my website for a sldeshow sample of a Fantomah story that does NOT appear in my book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fletcherhanks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fletcherhanks.com</a></p>
<p>Best,<br />
-Paul</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/archives/mocca-2007/comment-page-1#comment-52622</link>
		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrei: I read the book last night, and I have to agree with you. There is potential in there but mostly... it&#039;s a pretty book and a great idea, but it fails to really... move me in any way, be it narratively, thematically, aesthetically, or formally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrei: I read the book last night, and I have to agree with you. There is potential in there but mostly&#8230; it&#8217;s a pretty book and a great idea, but it fails to really&#8230; move me in any way, be it narratively, thematically, aesthetically, or formally.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/archives/mocca-2007/comment-page-1#comment-52580</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on a relatively quick first skim, there are a couple of problems with the Sundays anthology that also seem characteristic of other work I&#039;ve seen coming out of there:

1.  many of the stories are quite clever, in a meta sort of way, but ultimately unsatisfying.  I&#039;d call this the Iowa syndrome, and I&#039;m surprised that CCS fell into it so rapidly (it took the IWW maybe a couple of decades to get there).  We have a formalization of the tricks of the avant-garde, which, by being formalized, stop being avant-garde and become a new academicism.

2.  The book is beautifully designed, as are most of the strips--but I&#039;d just like them to learn to draw better!!!  It seems to me--also based on Sturm&#039;s lectures about the CCS I&#039;ve seen in the past--that at CCS all the emphasis is on narrative technique, and little on actually learning to draw.  I don&#039;t care whether they learn to draw like Charles Burns or like Gary Panter, but I would want them to realize that while learning the basic grammar of storytelling is important, it&#039;s not the only thing, and you won&#039;t achieve a fully aesthetically pleasing end result unless you work as hard on your inking as on your breakdowns.

Ah, yes, there goes Andrei, being all negative again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on a relatively quick first skim, there are a couple of problems with the Sundays anthology that also seem characteristic of other work I&#8217;ve seen coming out of there:</p>
<p>1.  many of the stories are quite clever, in a meta sort of way, but ultimately unsatisfying.  I&#8217;d call this the Iowa syndrome, and I&#8217;m surprised that CCS fell into it so rapidly (it took the IWW maybe a couple of decades to get there).  We have a formalization of the tricks of the avant-garde, which, by being formalized, stop being avant-garde and become a new academicism.</p>
<p>2.  The book is beautifully designed, as are most of the strips&#8211;but I&#8217;d just like them to learn to draw better!!!  It seems to me&#8211;also based on Sturm&#8217;s lectures about the CCS I&#8217;ve seen in the past&#8211;that at CCS all the emphasis is on narrative technique, and little on actually learning to draw.  I don&#8217;t care whether they learn to draw like Charles Burns or like Gary Panter, but I would want them to realize that while learning the basic grammar of storytelling is important, it&#8217;s not the only thing, and you won&#8217;t achieve a fully aesthetically pleasing end result unless you work as hard on your inking as on your breakdowns.</p>
<p>Ah, yes, there goes Andrei, being all negative again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/archives/mocca-2007/comment-page-1#comment-52486</link>
		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary: Sorry I missed you. Thanks for the link that Waldeman book looks interesting. I&#039;m not currently planning on being at SPX.

So far The Sundays book is not looking as good as I&#039;d hoped. It might be a great idea whose execution doesn&#039;t quite live up to it.

Susanne, It was great to meet you too. I&#039;ll have to spend some time checking out your website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary: Sorry I missed you. Thanks for the link that Waldeman book looks interesting. I&#8217;m not currently planning on being at SPX.</p>
<p>So far The Sundays book is not looking as good as I&#8217;d hoped. It might be a great idea whose execution doesn&#8217;t quite live up to it.</p>
<p>Susanne, It was great to meet you too. I&#8217;ll have to spend some time checking out your website.</p>
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		<title>By: Susanne</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/archives/mocca-2007/comment-page-1#comment-52476</link>
		<dc:creator>Susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derik,

Thanks for the mentions. It was great to meet you. Wish I&#039;d had more time to talk with you, but it was all so hectic, wasn&#039;t it? I seem to have shopped like you did; didn&#039;t buy any books I could get elsewhere, but stocked up on minis and other handmades. Can&#039;t wait to dig into them. 

Have got your site bookmarked and will definitely be back. And hopefully will see you again in the city soon.

Susanne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derik,</p>
<p>Thanks for the mentions. It was great to meet you. Wish I&#8217;d had more time to talk with you, but it was all so hectic, wasn&#8217;t it? I seem to have shopped like you did; didn&#8217;t buy any books I could get elsewhere, but stocked up on minis and other handmades. Can&#8217;t wait to dig into them. </p>
<p>Have got your site bookmarked and will definitely be back. And hopefully will see you again in the city soon.</p>
<p>Susanne</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/archives/mocca-2007/comment-page-1#comment-52342</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derik,

My tablemates said someone from Temple had stopped by, but I had no idea it was you! I wish I would have known so I could have found you. Well, tried to find you, given how huge this year&#039;s show was.

Richard Hahn is great! Looking forward to seeing what you&#039;ll think of his work.

The Norwegians on the 7th floor had a great full-color comic bio of Edvard Munch and Kurt Schwitters, each bio done vaguely in the style of the artist. I got it for the Schwitters, which was incredible. Sadly, I&#039;ll never be able to actually read it, though it was worth it for the images &amp; layout.

Did you happen to see J.T. Waldman&#039;s graphic novel adaptation of the Book of Esther. That was my favorite book from the show. Really intense drawings, vaguely early-Mack Whitish, but entirely without irony. A preview here:

http://www.megillatesther.com/preview.htm

though it really doesn&#039;t do it justice. The layouts become increasingly strange as the story goes on. I&#039;ve never seen anything quite like it. Waldman I think lives in Philadelphia.

Again, sorry to have missed you. Maybe we&#039;ll see each other at SPX? I won&#039;t have a table there, but my table mates &amp; I are tossing around the idea of going down there just to see what&#039;s being exhibited.

I actually picked up the Fletcher Hanks book Friday night at Jim Hanley&#039;s -- the last one they had. There was a rumor going around that Fantagraphics had already sold out of the *entire run* of the book. I don&#039;t quite see how that&#039;s possible, but they definitely sold out everything they brought to the show. It&#039;s pretty unimpeachably great.

I was an idiot and did not get the Sundays anthology. It sold out. I didn&#039;t even get to flip through it on the table. Everyone was talking about it.

Anyway, hoping all is well,

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derik,</p>
<p>My tablemates said someone from Temple had stopped by, but I had no idea it was you! I wish I would have known so I could have found you. Well, tried to find you, given how huge this year&#8217;s show was.</p>
<p>Richard Hahn is great! Looking forward to seeing what you&#8217;ll think of his work.</p>
<p>The Norwegians on the 7th floor had a great full-color comic bio of Edvard Munch and Kurt Schwitters, each bio done vaguely in the style of the artist. I got it for the Schwitters, which was incredible. Sadly, I&#8217;ll never be able to actually read it, though it was worth it for the images &amp; layout.</p>
<p>Did you happen to see J.T. Waldman&#8217;s graphic novel adaptation of the Book of Esther. That was my favorite book from the show. Really intense drawings, vaguely early-Mack Whitish, but entirely without irony. A preview here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.megillatesther.com/preview.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.megillatesther.com/preview.htm</a></p>
<p>though it really doesn&#8217;t do it justice. The layouts become increasingly strange as the story goes on. I&#8217;ve never seen anything quite like it. Waldman I think lives in Philadelphia.</p>
<p>Again, sorry to have missed you. Maybe we&#8217;ll see each other at SPX? I won&#8217;t have a table there, but my table mates &amp; I are tossing around the idea of going down there just to see what&#8217;s being exhibited.</p>
<p>I actually picked up the Fletcher Hanks book Friday night at Jim Hanley&#8217;s &#8212; the last one they had. There was a rumor going around that Fantagraphics had already sold out of the *entire run* of the book. I don&#8217;t quite see how that&#8217;s possible, but they definitely sold out everything they brought to the show. It&#8217;s pretty unimpeachably great.</p>
<p>I was an idiot and did not get the Sundays anthology. It sold out. I didn&#8217;t even get to flip through it on the table. Everyone was talking about it.</p>
<p>Anyway, hoping all is well,</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Madden</title>
		<link>http://madinkbeard.com/archives/mocca-2007/comment-page-1#comment-52332</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Madden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thrown by that &quot;Sarah&quot; comic. I found it in the bottom of the fancy silk-screened Sundays bag given to me by the CCS students and I thought it was a private letter I got by accident. I took it over to the Sundays table only to see a big pile of them on the table! I still haven&#039;t opened.

Derik, it was great to hang out.

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thrown by that &#8220;Sarah&#8221; comic. I found it in the bottom of the fancy silk-screened Sundays bag given to me by the CCS students and I thought it was a private letter I got by accident. I took it over to the Sundays table only to see a big pile of them on the table! I still haven&#8217;t opened.</p>
<p>Derik, it was great to hang out.</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: DerikB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerikB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to have missed you both.

Andrei: The pimping comics aspect is the part that gives me pause, but I&#039;m hoping, starting to think about it now (with a year&#039;s time) I can come up with some good plans. Maybe recruit someone(s) to share a table with. Also, after walking around that show, I&#039;ve got some ideas about display set-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to have missed you both.</p>
<p>Andrei: The pimping comics aspect is the part that gives me pause, but I&#8217;m hoping, starting to think about it now (with a year&#8217;s time) I can come up with some good plans. Maybe recruit someone(s) to share a table with. Also, after walking around that show, I&#8217;ve got some ideas about display set-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one time I got a table was at MoCCA, back in 2004.  I hated it:  I hated having to pimp my comics, and I hated being stuck behind it when there was so much stuff I wanted to see (though, admittedly, my gracious wife generously helped with the latter).  I&#039;ve never done it since, and not regretted it one minute.

I was there today, BTW, Derik.  Sorry I missed you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one time I got a table was at MoCCA, back in 2004.  I hated it:  I hated having to pimp my comics, and I hated being stuck behind it when there was so much stuff I wanted to see (though, admittedly, my gracious wife generously helped with the latter).  I&#8217;ve never done it since, and not regretted it one minute.</p>
<p>I was there today, BTW, Derik.  Sorry I missed you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do recall liking Boys and Lumakick a good deal when I first read them - I especially thought Rege&#039;s visual style worked well when put toward emotionally delicate teenage material.  I thought the new Ganzfeld was very nice, although I&#039;d have liked more sequential manga in the illustration-heavy Japan section.  Still, I&#039;m enthused about the King Terry monograph they&#039;re doing... he&#039;s an artist I&#039;ve heard talked about a number of times, without much of his actual work available for perusal.  I also loved Mark Connery&#039;s comics in the Canada section.

Hey, if you have a table next year, you&#039;ll have one of those handy name tags!  I&#039;ll find you for sure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do recall liking Boys and Lumakick a good deal when I first read them &#8211; I especially thought Rege&#8217;s visual style worked well when put toward emotionally delicate teenage material.  I thought the new Ganzfeld was very nice, although I&#8217;d have liked more sequential manga in the illustration-heavy Japan section.  Still, I&#8217;m enthused about the King Terry monograph they&#8217;re doing&#8230; he&#8217;s an artist I&#8217;ve heard talked about a number of times, without much of his actual work available for perusal.  I also loved Mark Connery&#8217;s comics in the Canada section.</p>
<p>Hey, if you have a table next year, you&#8217;ll have one of those handy name tags!  I&#8217;ll find you for sure&#8230;</p>
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